That's also apply to Kenobi / Dooku comparison, Kenobi isn't Dooku, therefor Anakin was unable to penetrate his defense. In any, he mastered she chi being able to contend with darth Vader despite being extremely out of shape. I've seen this raw anger from fans once before. Dooku has recognized kenobi's power. And why are you bringing up Old Wounds again? But so is Maul. Did you not read the panel properly? Kenobi's soresu is the best of all time, he trained the best djem so duelist of all time. Maul has dominated Obi-Wan with the Force MORE THAN ONCE. Anakin has crushed stone with his strikes, crushed the durasteel of magma guards easily. Obi-Wan isn't as physically strong as Anakin, Obi-Wan has no feats that approach hitting hard another blade hard enough to shatter stone beneath oneself or tearing apart spider droids like Anakin has done. Here goes nothing... Phew" which means that he's struggling to do it. Related: Clone Wars Makes Rebels’ Ahsoka Vs Darth Vader Moment More Tragic In Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 7, episode 10, "The Phantom Apprentice", Maul reveals this vitally important element of Darth Sidious' plan when he's confronted by Ahsoka. Obi-Wan had an obvious experience edge but Anakin was more powerful. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. It didn't scare me enough then; it does now. The Force truly smiled upon Maul, that must be it. I put the timelines in so you know what era and strength level they are at. The son of Mother Talzin, he was trained by Sidious as a Sith assassin and became an incredibly skilled duelist. STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > STAR WARS Discussion *6* Predators Vs Darth Maul and ROTS Anakin. What do you guys think? Regardless of circumstance Kenobi fought 1 v 2 against maul and opress and according to filoni came out victorious. It was perhaps, the hardest thing he had ever tried to do. @yousufkhan1212: I don't think I've heard of that before. 13 + 3 = 16. That's cute. He has physically matched anakin, a dude who was strong enough that his strikes have cracked stone and could crush a manga guards' hand with his. Anakin had an advantage against Dooku's Makashi which was powerful physical attacks and anger because Dooku taunted him. It's hard to guage Dooku vs Qui-Gon. Kenobi broke his barrier regardless and if he had wanted to he could have used at to hurt maul but he did not as that's not his mo. That's another good reason why Anakin is a more powerful Force user. He's better in the most relevant categories. Round 2: Anakin Bloodlusted. Anakin as a padawan manipulated dreadnaughts and as a knight has much better tk feats than maul. Someone who can tk anakin> than someone who can tk kenobi. It wouldn't be easy but he'd win in the end. But that's not really true, Obi-Wan thought as he ducked and wove and parried. Then why did filoni confirm that kenobi beat both maul and savage? TPM takes place 13 years before ROTS, Star Wars Old Wounds takes place 3 years after Revenge of the Sith. Part 2 … Even Non-Zone Anakin consistently gives Dooku a good amount of trouble. What evidence do you have to even suggest that it was bigger than a freighter and do you have any evidence? Anakin is vastly more powerful than Obi-Wan in the Force has much better feats in Telekinesis than Obi-Wan has, Anakin has used the Force to hurl boulders the size of huts, manipulating Conqueror-class dreadnaughts and more, Obi-Wan isn't capable of using Telekinesis on that level. Isn't Maul's actual best feat collapsing a barrack as a teenager? @kbroskywalker: Obi-Wan only managed to hold off Maul and Savage because of the narrow, cramped area he was in that prevented Darth Maul and Savage from automatically pinning Obi-Wan to the wall. And still, neither man could gain an advantage. Star Wars Old Wounds was a Star Wars story written in 2005, anything that happens in TCW does NOT apply to Star Wars Old Wounds, so don't bring anything from the TCW when you talk about Star Wars Old Wounds. I think that Qui-Gonn was more powerful than ROTS Anakin (mainly because of experience and intelligence) and Maul killed Qui-Gonn. I'm not debating EU Clone Wars Series, never seen it. Here's a quote from the Revenge of the Sith Junior Novel. Both he and Anakin felt the anguish of their need to kill the other. He has struggled with pre visla who kenobi beat three times in three minutes. Maul has also taken on Grievous in a physical brawl. It was dead for 9 months until I asked this question... @kbroskywalker: Anakin was a better Light Saber duelist than Obi-Wan is during ROTS without question. You are ignoring the context of the situation and sayinh "Regardless of circumstance". I believe being gifted, both were but Dooku is better IMO in one of two ways or both. @kbroskywalker: Yes Maul is more powerful and Obi-Wan. And Anakin does grow vastly more powerful in the last few months of the Clone Wars, but how much that translates into combative talents is arguable. Although his only major appearance in the movies was in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul left a lasting impression on audiences. And Kenobi's tactical superiority played a huge part. The freighter crashed after only brushing against the trees. It was hard. Obi won against Maul when he was a padawan. There. "The two Sith maneuvered to pin Obi-Wan against the wall--but there was so little room in the corridor that they got in each other's way." However Obi-Wan hasn't been in a Light Saber duel for 3 years but that's not EVEN 1 fifth of the amount of time Darth Maul hasn't been in a Light Saber duel for. $55.95. Shipped with Economy Shipping. In sabers Obi wan himself acknowledged that Anakin was better than him. Here's a Source: ''The electrodrivers powering Grievous's mechanical arms let each of the four attack thrice in a single second; integrated by combat algorithms in the bio-droid's electronic network of peripheral processors, each of the twelve strikes per second came from a different angle with different speed and intensity, an unpredictably broken rhythm of slashes, chops, and stabs of which every single one could take Obi-Wan's life. WHAT. There is this: It was Anakin's overconfidence, fueled by the dark side, which led to his defeat. Savage had a serious rage amp and was displaying such God like levels of power at the time that be could ragdoll Dooku and Ventress simultaneously. Darth Maul managed to break through his force shield and pin him against the wall. $16.99. But Darth Maul was still capable of getting a few hits on Obi-Wan despite his lack of of experience in Light Saber combat since TPM. In closing, Anakin would destroy Maul. Star Wars ROTS LAVA REFLECTION Obi Wan & Anakin Darth Vader Duel At Mustafar MIB. Here's a quote: "On Mustafar, the newly created Sith Lord Darh Vader attacks his former friend and Jedi Master, Obi-Wan Kenobi. The hoodlum spirits have stated only the most powerful Jedi can become forc ghosts and tutaminis which kenobi has is stated to require extremely powerful tk. - Revenge of the Sith Novel. Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. A mistimed leap over Obi-Wan allowed him to swiftly cut Anakin, leaving him disabled on the shore of a lava river. Darth Maul's first pair mechanical legs was inspired by Star Wars Old Wounds but they were replaced in Season 5 with more Human looking mechanical legs, that's literally the only thing they have in common. Name one time kenobi has state a force battle with a force user with the intent of harming them. In the end, they didn't, and Maul was killed. - Darth Lord: The Rise of Vader. I guess, it was more fun to see Lob and BW banned. Because some styles have advantage against other styles. Going to call it even unless Anakin unleashes his inner juggernaut. He throws out the possibility that he could keep his wife and save her from death. Here's a quote from The Ultimate Visual Guide. So why not? The same Source that said Anakin couldn't control his emotions because of his fears also said that Anakin's rage was as a weakness that Obi-Wan was aware of. Maul hasn't even been in a Light Saber duel for a time frame of around 16 years which is a pretty long time, and it's safe to say he's not been in a Light Saber duel for that long because he's been stalking Obi-Wan for a long time because he wants revenge. As a Light Saber duelist, Darth Maul is Obi-Wan's equal and they fought to a stalemate prior to Adi Gala's death in TCW Season 5 despite Maul's mind set, and as a Force user, Darth Maul is more powerful and has rag dolled Obi-Wan multiple times. I would disagree. Hon Solo vs Jango Fett 7. And for Obi-Wan pulling down trees, are you referring to this feat? However, Obi-Wan was also mentally hindered, but not as much as Anakin was, Obi-Wan was capable of controlling his emotions and have a clear mind unlike Anakin. What really confirms this is the fact that kenobi has twice broken anakin's barrier, someone who by all canon and legends sources is much more powerful than maul. Traitor. I'll bring up kenobi force pushing an unhindered anakin. Now, I personally think Darth Maul could take this. Etc Etc. Round 2: Maul vs. RotS Anakin. Maul has a hard time beating people he can't straight overpower. Maul's physical tackle hurt Grievous as you can see in this panel that he groans "GURRF!". His Force feats are noticeably superior and his dueling skills are marginally superior. Tyranus was superior to Maul, based on the ease in which he dispatched both Anakin and Obi Wan in ep 2 whereas Maul, idiot he was had the advantage but lost it to a rookie Obi Wan, by the time we see Kenobi in ep 3 he is at the height of his prowess which is why, when you see Anakin attempt to use Force abilities on him they cancel each other out; both are on top of their game, another idiot choice by a Sith cost Anakin the fight, nothing else. Obviously not, there's strain on his face. Obi Wan vs Asajj Ventress 4. Now let's just sit here and wait for Erkan to come in and start making a case for Maul because of a CGI cartoon made for 10 year olds. 1. Anakin mid difficulty. Honestly how the fck are you guys still talking about this stuff? But he's still a great Djem So master. Firstly, how do you even know how big it is? Or ANH Vader >= Gethzerion > Talzin > TCW Maul. Yet Maul can stomp his brother, who manages to stalemate both Anakin and Obi-Wan who are both just shy of their primes in Revenge of the Sith. He outlasted both maul and savage at florrum landing kicks powerful enough to send both back. *shrugs*. Registered: Nov 7, 2007. Collection 2 are secondary and background characters aimed at collectors. But Anakin had turned to the dark side, and despair and pain strengthened the dark side. Maul prepared himself for death-but Sidious only laughed. Grievous was well aware of Maul's presence and had Droids at his side whereas Maul was alone, Maul used the Force to push the Droids and on Grievous and tackled him in a physical tackle. Anakin as he was, as of Revenge of the Sith, and Maul at his prime in the Clone Wars CGI series. Anakin would beat Maul after a good fight. Cool. And it was also supported in the behind the scenes in Revenge of the Sith in "The Chosen One Featurette ", it's a 14 minute long Commentary that you can watch on YouTube. And yes, Maul has shown better Telekinesis than Obi-Wan and equal duelling abilities. While old wounds is non canon, the fight itself was referenced in a legends grevious comic and features a post prime kenobi beating maul again. Unless he let go of his own despair and the let the living Force move him -- the Force that bound all living things together, even Obi-Wan and this new, deadly, evil Anakin. Is that mean Vos beats Maul, and Savage Opress ragdolls Maul too ? DARTH-SMELLY-FEET Jedi Youngling. @erkan12: the Vos who beat dooku would beat maul and dooku is a tier above maul. The Clone Wars show isn't EU, it is canon. But Maul still has a few categories that he's better than Anakin in by a slight margin such as agility... And maybe stamina? And because of Darth Maul's lack of experience in Light Saber combat in this story, he lost because Obi-Wan changed his Light Saber fighting style to a different form which Maul isn't familiar with, Obi-Wan at this point has far more experience in Light Saber combat than Maul does in this story. Maul is not quicker and more athletic than Anakin. ANAKIN VS DARTH MAUL Star Wars Battlefront 2 DLC Heroes Battle! And to be quite honest, I would personally think that the Revenge of the Sith Junior Novel is a more reliable Source because it would be very uncharacteristic for Obi-Wan to suddenly leave someone he considers a brother and a best friend, it doesn't sound like something Obi-Wan to would do, and to be fair, in both the Revenge of the Sith Novel and Junior Novel Obi-Wan let go of his emotional attachment for Anakin, so at least he managed to control his emotions even though it was the hardest decision he had ever faced, and he decided to let go of his emotional attachment. "Still, the fight continued, even as the collection tower sank slowly into the lava. Am I missing something here, or did the Clone Wars just screw up? You're using an excuse that Maul has TPM experience when in fact he has NOT been in a Light Saber duel for 16 years Have you not read what I wrote? Power duelists such as Savage Opress, and rage amped TPM Kenobi, rage amped TCW Kenobi end up losing against him, Maul is perfectly trained to be fighting in the rage mode, and he has a different talent of feeding from anger. Vader calls on the darkside to harness more power, but he overwhelmed by rage. @theirondinosaur: @jayc1324: filoni confirmed kenobi beat both maul and opress's on florrum. And here, and now, despite it all... Obi-Wan still loved him. Maul has been out dueled twice by a battle master with a Baboo stick( I don't care how skilled he was, he isn't Kenobi). Darth Vader vs Darth Maul # Darth Maul N before you bring up that vader beat Maul in the next scan, he did it though a cop out move of stabbing him self in the chest, not because of skill; in fact Maul clearly had the upper hand on him throughout the entire fight and even had him on his knees. Sidious barely deflected them all. Kenobi was also strong enough to rip grevious' admittedly damaged armor. And when Obi-Wan fought Grievous such as in Episode 3, Grievous was tossing Obi-Wan around and Obi-Wan was groaning in pain such as when he kicked Grievous and Obi-Wan screamed in pain. Kenobi has uprooted and pulled down trees bigger than this freighter. The Quote was saying that Anakin was so eager to kill Obi-Wan, that he wouldn't even bother defending himself. Slightly shorter metal Anakin saber. I think Maul would defeat Anakin. And Obi-Wan is definitely not Maul's physical superior, you're seriously underestimating Maul and overestimating Obi-Wan. qui gin would be stomped by every character(except for opress) mentioned in this thread. Maul does not have the same advantages. Oh, this was a gift. Implying that Maul is superior to Dooku, on the basis that he can stomp someone who can stalemate Dooku repeatedly. Darth Maul could barely put up a fight against Jedi Master Obi-Wan in Old Wounds, but it's understandable because Darth Maul hasn't even been in a Light Saber duel for a … Kenobi and maul are not equal duelists. Either one works. His menacing design, acrobatic fighting … And on top of all that, Maul didn't get used to Light Saber combat because he hasn't done it for years in this story, it's similar to when you decide to play a sport which you've not played for a long time and you're not so good at it any more because you haven't practiced it properly or done a warm up. Darth Vader vs Darth Maul vs Darth Sidious? Darth Maul did fight a two jedi's at once. Kenobi also force pushed anakin while unhindered to save ventress so there should be no question he could ragdoll a much inferior maul if he wanted to. They spun and whirled throughout its levels, up its stairs, and across its platforms; they battled out onto the collection panels over which the cascades of lava poured, and Obi-Wan, out on the edge of the collection panel, hunching under a curve of durasteel that splashed aside gouts of lava, deflecting Force blasts and countering strikes from this creature of rage that had been his best friend, suddenly comprehended an unexpectedly profound truth. Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by DARTH-SMELLY-FEET, Nov 13, 2007. SHOULD be Anakin. I don't know where this bullshit is coming from, Dooku and Maul are completely different persons, completely. Obviously Phantom Menace or even AoTC Anakin Skywalker would be weaker then Revenge of the Sith. TCW is canon and Maul and Kenobi have repeatedely clashed in the show, with each character having their moments. Maul has no showings of tk, dueling, or physical capability that top kenobi's best ones, therefore Kenobi would win. Maul's best feat is NOT bringing down a ship. Nope. The blockade fell. That's basically what Maul and Obi-Wan's rematch in this story is, Maul decided to challenge Obi-Wan in a Light Saber duel when he hasn't been practicing or got used to it properly whereas Obi-Wan has been in more Light Saber duels far more recently and he's more used to it. Also, as for Grievous, note that Maul slammed him against glass, whereas Grievous just kicked him. Why did kenobi beat maul post prime? @alextheboss: @thanospimphand Anakin would definitely beat Maul, but that's not a good reason and Anakin definitely wouldn't beat Maul the way he beat Dooku. Star Wars Evolutions Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader 3 Fig Set Hasbro 2005 NEW. These are all seduction things, which causes a great deal of turmoil." Eventually Maul spent his fury, and Darth Sidious still stood. Grevious opted to flee in less than 2 minutes. Maul used a powerful Force push on a very determined and focused Obi-Wan because he was prioritising his brother's safety over the fight. Anakin all the way. Ever since Darth Maul revealed his double-bladed lightsaber in Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, people have debated if the Sith Lord was more powerful than the Star Wars saga's ultimate villain, Darth Vader. Im going to support ROTS Anakin as well. Obi-Wan is next, and then Savage Opress is a bit behind. - Revenge of the Sith Novelisation. And look at Obi-Wan's facial expressions in this panel, does it look like he's easily ripping the tree apart? Even out of shape kenobi held his own vs Vader. Who would win in a force/saber all out duel. Obi-Wan only managed to hold off Maul and Savage because of the narrow, cramped area he was in that prevented Darth Maul and Savage from automatically pinning Obi-Wan to the wall. Star Wars Old Wounds was a Star Wars story written in 2005, anything that happens in TCW doesn't apply to Star Wars Old Wounds, so don't bring anything from the Clone Wars TV Show when you talk about Star Wars Old Wounds. Anakin ROTS "metal" lightsaber (left) vs. Anakin ROTS "plastic" lightsaber (right). Condition is "New". If the area was bigger and Darth Maul and Savage would manage to pin Obi-Wan to the wall, Obi-Wan would have absolutely NO chance of surviving if Darth Maul and Savage pin him to a wall, Obi-Wan would have been slaughtered to mincemeat. My personal chart: Anakin > Maul > Obi-1 Also soresu is weak against Juyo. ROTS Anakin vs Darth Maul. I know he has beaten savage though. The hooldlum spirits have recognized him as one of the most powerful Jedi. @erkan12: You could argue that Anakin will get provoked by anger and Maul would feed off it. I repeat... Obi-Wan is NOT the better Light Saber duelist, they are EQUALS. Dueling - anakin. That's basically what Darth Maul and Obi-Wan's rematch in this story is, Darth Maul decided to challenge Obi-Wan in a Light Saber duel when he hasn't been practicing or got used to it properly whereas Obi-Wan has been in more Light Saber duels far more recently and he's more used to it. I think their skill levels were about even. If it's still a curbstomp, give him both Oppress and Asajj Ventress. You wanna bring up maul choking kenobi. Carribean_Cool 2 years ago #14. Maul dispatched Qui-Gon and was manhandling both Qui and young Obi. Depends on who writes the script. I think I woke this thread up. And because of Darth Maul's lack of experience in Light Saber combat in this story, he lost because Obi-Wan changed his Light Saber fighting style to a different form which Darth Maul isn't familiar with, Obi-Wan at this point has far more experience in Light Saber combat than Darth Maul does in this story. Universe then that is a perfectly valid showing for kenobi, Kenobi did not Barely handle grevious. By the time Anakin had landed on the ground, his legs and left arm had been neatly sliced off. If Maul was so superior to Anakin, then why did Palpatine ditch Maul for Anakin? "Darth Maul's intimidating appearance and brutal elegance in battle strike fear into the hearts of even the bravest foes. And I agree Kenobi is downplayed a lot. ", ― http://www.starwars.com/databank/anakin-skywalker. #2: That fight is so heavily contradicted by numerous feats, statements and scaling. Anakin faces Maul on the ship where he fought Dooku. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/darth-maul-vs-obi-wan-kenobi-duelling-only-1654440/. For in letting go of his anguish, his despair, and his pain, he would have to let go of the Anakin who was his student, his brother, and his dearest friend. If you consider the deleted scene for Darth Sidious vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress. If the area was bigger and Darth Maul and Savage would manage to pin Obi-Wan to the wall, Obi-Wan would have absolutely NO chance of surviving if Darth Maul and Savage pin him to a wall, Obi-Wan would have been slaughtered to mincemeat. These guys are the force. Darth Maul could barely put up a fight against Jedi Master Obi-Wan in Old Wounds, but it's understandable because Darth Maul hasn't even been in a Light Saber duel for a time frame of around 16 years which is a pretty long time, and it's safe to say he's not been in a Light Saber duel for that long because he's been stalking Obi-Wan for a long time because he wants revenge. It's even more impressive because Maul's physical tackle was painful for Grievous, but when Grievous kicked Maul away in the first panel with his massive leg, Maul didn't react to that kick. And guess what? << THERE IS MORE FROM THIS THREAD HERE >>. Maul's physical strength is enough to challenge Anakin, and if Anakin gets angry, Maul would feed off the anger and keep the fight going for a long time. Big time. User Info: Carribean_Cool. Never. Obi-Wan is NOT the better Light Saber duelist, did you not watch their second rematch, Obi-Wan and Maul fought a stalemate, they were evenly matched. 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